[G1X Four] Beatles era Amp+Cab sims

Discussion in 'General discussion' started by Catnip King, May 13, 2025.

Do you understand Cabinet sims?

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  1. Catnip King

    Catnip King New Member

    I've been mulling over the amp and cab sims trying to find units that could have conceivably been used by the Beatles from their mid-career onward ('65-'70). My usual amp sim for playing around with is the Marshall 1959 but that's a pretty distinct sound that I don't believe the Beatles ever touched and also very late, not actually from '59. Its been difficult for me to date the included amp and cab sims to find something that matches the timeline I'm looking at. I think they used a Tweed Fender Deluxe https://www.tdpri.com/threads/history-of-the-beatles-amplifiers.1007415/ (so maybe the effect FD DLXR for an amp, with reverb turned down to its lowest) but I'm really stumped trying to find a cabinet, all the ones I can find a date for seem too young.

    Amp sims I can understand pretty well but I'm not exactly sure how Cabinet sims affect output generally or specifically.
    Any suggestions for approaching their sound? And how exactly do different cabinet sims affect sound?
     
    Last edited: May 13, 2025
  2. Catnip King

    Catnip King New Member

    Okay so both the Fender options have a minimum mod level at 10% so you can't get an unmoded signal through it which really doesn't work.

    BUT I figured out the best amp probably. That video I referenced mentioned Vox amps so I cross referenced this database of G1X effects for "Vox" and got:
    UK 30A = VOX AC30 | Main Bands: THE BEATLES
    The description on the effect in ToneLib says something about "British rock" and I had assumed that meant Oasis or something but no they meant the Beatles but weren't able to say that because Michael Jackson's estate has rich lawyers, thankfully Zoom users are so willing to fill in the gaps. So I've gotten to a better amp sim but still am stumped on cabinets. Does it even really matter? I'm just confused about how many cabinet sims this device provides if the different options aren't meaningful.

    That database is much more useful than the manual provided by Zoom, highly recommend for anyone using a G1 unit.
     
  3. Catnip King

    Catnip King New Member

    I had more success asking this question on Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/zoommultis...our_what_is_a_cabinet_sim_which_should_i_use/

    Via u/sjmdrum

    To answer your other question, different speakers definitely do sound different as you've found. 1x, 2x, and 4x all indicate the number of speakers and the 10 or 12 indicates the diameter of them. A 2x12 means two 12 inch speakers, for example.

    The number of and diameter of speakers both affect the frequency response due to the surface area and the amount of air being moved at one time. The bigger the diameter and the more speakers, the more air you can move. That usually means more bass response in both cases, and some other frequency changes as a result. I usually think of 4x12s as a hard rock or metal thing while a 1x or 2x is more of a mid-focused or well-balanced sound. All of this is a HUGE oversimplification, as there's a lot of science and nuance behind it, but all that nuance is not interesting nor helpful at this stage.

    As for the brand A vs brand B question, even speakers of the same size can sound wildly different due to the type of materials used for the cone and magnet, plus the size of the magnet and the thickness/shape of the cone. Listen to some shootouts of speakers on YouTube and you'll definitely hear this affect, just as you're hearing in the simulations on your pedal.

    As for figuring out what to pick... That's harder as it's subjective. But luckily for you, you're going off an existing sound. Do a little research into what amps the Beatles are known for and what speakers are usually in that amp and you'll be pretty darn close to what you're hoping for.